[1958:23] <GoldenShadow> reactions cant start in midair
[1958:28] <yesukai> Why not GS?
[1958:35] <GoldenShadow> its impossible
[1959:37] <GoldenShadow> think about gravity, it pulls the energy to the land
[2000:00] <yesukai> There is absolutely no evidence that gravity has any effect on energy.
[2000:10] <GoldenShadow> ok
[2000:15] <GoldenShadow> turn on a light bulb
[2000:28] <GoldenShadow> how much of that light energy lights up the ground opposed to lighitng the sky
[2000:51] <GoldenShadow> and explain why lightning strike at the ground
[2001:05] <GoldenShadow> lightning = falling energy
[2002:18] <Merl[afk]> besides which, electrons themsleves are not energy anyway.
[2002:27] <Merl[afk]> you have a misconception as to what 'energy' really is.
[2002:35] <GoldenShadow> E = electrons E = energy
[2002:38] <GoldenShadow> looks the same to me
[2003:42] <GoldenShadow> electricy is energy
[2003:46] <GoldenShadow> therefore lighting is energy
[2003:57] <Merl[afk]> that doesent mean that beacuse i move my arm, my arm is energy.
[2004:26] <Merl[afk]> energy is expressed in matter as the exertion of force.
[2004:43] <Merl[afk]> just because any given matter has force, does not mean that matter is itself 'energy'.
[2100:27] <GoldenShadow> did you know that diamond can burn?
[2100:52] <Merl> well, that depends what you mean by 'burn'.
[2100:56] * Jabyaeye rolls a diamond and smokes it
[2101:17] <GoldenShadow> someone took a giant magnifying glass and concentrated sunlight on a diamond, and it vanished into a puff of smoke
[2106:49] <GoldenShadow> a liquid is any substance that takes the shape of its container
[2107:00] <GoldenShadow> except air
[2107:21] <Merl> ahh, yes, the gsian physics. everythign except air is a liquid.
[2108:01] <GoldenShadow> but by that theory
[2108:06] <GoldenShadow> sand is a liquid
[2110:27] <GoldenShadow> thats why it floats too
[2110:33] <GoldenShadow> because of the air in it
[2111:01] <Merl> gee. so, if i have a rock with air pockets in it, it will float? great!
[2111:07] <GoldenShadow> no
[2111:10] <GoldenShadow> only ice will
[2111:22] <GoldenShadow> unless you have a piece of pummice
[2117:41] <GoldenShadow> if you put a piece of equipment into earth orbit, it will stay there forever untill it gets bumped out of orbit
[2118:20] <GoldenShadow> you need a lot of speed to break earth's gravity
[2118:38] <GoldenShadow> if you go too slow, you get pulled down
[2118:48] <GoldenShadow> if you go to fast, you'll gain altitude
[2119:13] <yesukai> Um...
[2119:17] <GoldenShadow> but the higher you get, the faster you need to go to maintain that height
[2119:47] <GoldenShadow> and there is a certain orbit that is called geo sync
[2119:53] <yesukai> So a thing 1,000,000 lighyeras away must need to go incredibly fast in order to keep from crashing into the earth.
[2119:58] <GoldenShadow> its a certain height
[2120:18] <GoldenShadow> no
[2120:33] <GoldenShadow> once you get far ebnough away, you break away from earths gravity
[2120:33] <yesukai> Quote from you: "ut the higher you get, the faster you need to go to maintain that height"
[2120:51] <yesukai> No, GS, gavity crosees space infinatly.
[2121:06] <GoldenShadow> I know
[2121:15] <GoldenShadow> but there is this thing called reletive gravity
[2121:26] <GoldenShadow> if 2 masses gravity counteracts
[2121:38] <GoldenShadow> you are stuck in the middle and not pulled to either
[2121:54] <GoldenShadow> or rather pulled to both at the same time
[2122:02] <yesukai> GS, orbit is simply matching the horizontal speed to the vertical speed.
[2122:14] <GoldenShadow> thats what i said
[2122:39] <GoldenShadow> i went to NASA
[2122:48] <GoldenShadow> i know whaT IM talking about
[2124:59] <GoldenShadow> feet and inches are the best units
[2125:04] <GoldenShadow> at least they make sense
[2125:19] <GoldenShadow> those milipeters or whatever, they are too little to measure anything
[2127:17] <GoldenShadow> you cant measure the earth with cokecans
[2127:33] <Merl> whats the contrary evidence?
[2127:37] <GoldenShadow> calculate the entire earths surface area with cokcans as the unit
[2127:52] <Merl> you dotn have any.
[2127:56] <GoldenShadow> how many would it take to fill up
[2131:02] <yesukai> Flame Follows: "GS, your a fucking idiot. Im sorry, but saying you cant measure one surface area with another has to be the least intellignet thing ive heard in a long time. "
[2149:55] <Merl> well, magnets are metallic.
[2150:05] <GoldenShadow> they arent metal
[2150:15] <GoldenShadow> they arent maleable,
[2150:18] <Jabyaeye> that's what i meant by insulators or conductors
[2150:35] <yesukai> GS is right, magnets are mostly composed of plastic.</sarcasm>
[2150:45] <GoldenShadow> shut up
[2150:50] <GoldenShadow> i didnt say plastic fool
[2152:45] <GoldenShadow> the same force that makes water flow when you open a gate in a dam
[2152:54] <GoldenShadow> its froming from positive pressure to negative pressure
[2153:00] <yesukai> GS, no, that would be gravity.
[2153:06] <GoldenShadow> pressure
[2153:23] <Merl> where does the pressure come from? think about it.
[2153:23] <yesukai> GS, why does water press down on itsself?
[2153:32] <GoldenShadow> you dont know?
[2153:51] <GoldenShadow> because its heavy
[2155:00] <GoldenShadow> it starts with a G
[2155:16] <GoldenShadow> god
[2155:25] <yesukai> Very good. So, how come you disagreed when I said water flows from a dam becasue of gravity?
[2155:49] <GoldenShadow> because it DOES
[2156:09] <GoldenShadow> your the one that disagreed withyourself
[2156:25] <GoldenShadow> when your opening a dam, the water shoots outsaideways
[2156:31] <GoldenShadow> not down
[2156:39] <GoldenShadow> thats pressure
[2158:16] <GoldenShadow> you can have all the gravity in thre world, but if theres not a presure difference, there wont be any water flow
[2158:32] <GoldenShadow> gravity is constant, pressure isnt
[2158:59] <yesukai> Gravity isnt constant, it varies with the inverse of the distance.
[2159:15] <yesukai> square of the distance, sorry.
[2159:15] <GoldenShadow> its constant when your talking about a dam and water pressure
[2206:47] <Merl> its like the early chemists who set out to create a universal solvent.
[2207:10] <GoldenShadow> merl, ya freeze it
[2207:16] <Merl> in what?
[2207:16] <GoldenShadow> then you can transport it
[2207:28] <Merl> again, in what?
[2207:32] <GoldenShadow> as long as its solid, it cant disolve anything
[2207:50] <Merl> your saying a chemical reaction isnt possible between two solids.
[2210:22] <GoldenShadow> space isnt really all that empty
[2210:29] <GoldenShadow> its chock full of crap
[2211:17] <yesukai> A true vacum is impossible, sorry to say.
[2211:21] <GoldenShadow> space is a relative term really
[2211:29] <GoldenShadow> its not impossible
[2211:34] <GoldenShadow> it happens all the time
[2211:34] <Merl> bollox. i have a true vacum in my laundry.
[2211:44] <yesukai> No, GS, it doesnt.
[2211:49] <yesukai> Period.
[2211:50] <Merl> two actually. one sits in the washing machine and eats up socks at random.
[2211:54] <GoldenShadow> yep
[2211:55] <yesukai> It has yet to happen.
[2211:58] <Merl> the other is the hoover 500.
[2212:03] <yesukai> And it never will.
[2212:20] <GoldenShadow> WHY
[2212:29] <GoldenShadow> im talking about matter, not energy
[2212:50] <yesukai> Im not going to go into the whole fabric of the universe/antimatter/matter reactions things right now. Im getting tired.
[2212:54] <GoldenShadow> its easy to remove all matter from a space including air
[2214:07] <GoldenShadow> btw antimatter doesnt exist naturaly
[2214:17] <yesukai> BTW, THE FUCK IT DOESNT.
[2214:24] <GoldenShadow> only in science fiction
[2214:27] <Merl> if it existed, it would matter. :)
[2214:37] <Merl> hence, it would contradict itslef and cease to exists.
[2214:39] <yesukai> No GS, weve observed its effect.
[2214:46] <GoldenShadow> if it ever did exist, it would cancel out with normal matter
[2214:48] <yesukai> Merl, your closer to the truth then you know.
[2215:29] <GoldenShadow> anti matter + matter = pure energy
[2215:42] <GoldenShadow> or so they say
[2215:46] <yesukai> GS, Antimatter + matter = nothing
[2216:10] <GoldenShadow> do you know what antimatter is?
[2216:13] <yesukai> By "nothing" I mean, of course, nuetral.
[2216:29] <yesukai> GS, I know what REAL antimatter is, do you? You seem to be thinking in Trek terms...
[2216:32] <GoldenShadow> its atom where the protons are negativly charged and electrons are positive
[2217:16] <yesukai> Im thinking of the negative packet left in space when an equal packet of matter exists.
[2217:37] <GoldenShadow> bah yesukai, where did u read that rubish
[2218:29] <yesukai> Hmm. Cant remeber. It was a nice article though. Better then your source, "The Official Refrence to the Enterprise D".